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Question "enough bandwidth to send you a degraded, but sufficient, audio stream."
Posted by: ellis@hillinger.org - 03-11-2021, 03:20 PM - Forum: Help with Network Gear - Replies (8)

I'm trying to understand the diagnostics JamKazam provides so that I can equate them to the bandwidth available for our sessions.  The typical case is two players with wind instruments.  One player has 25 Mbps download and 14 Mbps upload, while the other has 90 Mbps download and 18 Mbps upload speeds.  This is far more than the 1 Mbps minimum that JamKazam published: https://forum.jamkazam.com/showthread.php?tid=114.  (Really?)  We have not analyzed the traffic from other users on these connections, but since our results have been consistent during different sessions, this doesn't appear to be the determining factor.  We are both using current Windows 10 systems and Focusrite Scarlett USB adapters.

My question is about bandwidth, not latency, but I should note that we are having challenges with delay.  We are about 100 miles apart, and one of the players is on an island.  The challenges of providing service at that remote location seems to push the total latency above 50 ms.

Our results with this configuration are generally stable, although there are some artifacts (especially on high notes) that are of concern.  When we examine the "Audio Bw Rx" status it usually says <other player> "has enough bandwidth to send you a degraded, but sufficient, audio stream."  While I haven't found documentation about this specific message, the documentation (https://jamkazam.freshdesk.com/support/s...iagnostics) says this shows the size of the audio stream and that these will be automatically adjusted.

What exact parameters is JK looking for, and what does it means by "enough bandwidth" in this situation?


Music Mixing a live band (Zoom instructions as well)
Posted by: UPC04539 - 03-11-2021, 01:23 AM - Forum: Help with Audio Effects Plugins - No Replies

I thought I would share my PC setup as I had to dig here and there to make it happen.  My goal was to be able to mix a full band in a live setting (without me playing).  I have issues using the Jamkazam audio mixer for various reasons :

  • The app is a bit slow on my PC (don't know why)
  • The sliders are not very smooth
  • VST usage is limited and not super easy to setup
  • Native controls like compressors are not easy to use
So, here is what I do.  I connect my interface to a 32bit DAW (Reaper in my case).  From there I use Rearoute to send my sound in Jamkazam (32bit).  Please refer to the following post for more details :

REAPER + Jam Kazam via ReaRoute [TUTORIAL] - Cockos Incorporated Forums

Then, I am muting the track with ReaRoute that comes back from Jamkazam in Reaper.  This brings back a full mix and is of no use for mixing.  

NOTE - The "sound technician" needs to be in the Jamkazam session but won't play.  You will get a bit of latency coming back  from Jamkazam to Reaper unfortunately using Reastream.  If you just bring a full mix back with Rearoute, you will be able to play with the band and send your audio to OBS (see next steps).  But you won't be able to mix individual tracks.

Next, I use Reastream (32bit) to connect each musicians tracks to Reaper.  Once this is complete, I send the master mix out of Reaper to OBS via Reastream.  Please follow this guide for more details :

Live Stream your DAW through OBS! How-to guide - YouTube

To get each musician's track in Reaper, I go in the Jamkazam's mixer and add the VST Reastream using the method explained in the video above.  Create one track per musician in Reaper and link them to Jamkazam with Reastream.

Check this post for help on Jamkazam and VST's :

https://forum.jamkazam.com/showthread.php?tid=625

Add FX required on each track in your DAW depending on what is coming through (guitar, vocals, bass, keys, etc.)

Once this is completed, I use a virtual cable to get out of OBS and send the audio to Zoom.  To do so, install the virtual cable B.  Then in OBS you need to set the monitoring device to Virtual Cable B in Settings - Audio - Advanced

VB-Audio Virtual Apps (vb-audio.com)

NOTE - You could also stream it directly from OBS on other platforms.  For Zoom, you need a transition setup between Reaper and Zoom and the best performance I got was this way.  I tried Voicemeeter and other solutions but I could not get any good sound out of it.

Zoom allows you got receive and send a Stereo signal to the audience.  Please refer to this link for more information on setting up the Stereo sound in Zoom :

Zoom Software in Music Mode - Best Audio Settings | Music Repo


NOTE - Zoom does frequent upgrades so these options may changes in future version but at least you know what to look for at this point. Also, to really have the proof of Stereo, have a buddy join your Zoom session to test it out and confirm or join your own Zoom session on a second device and listen. Recording Zoom sessions will be converted to MONO... for now... and if you try "Test the mic" you won't hear the stereo as well. Only Zoom attendants will hear the Stereo.

And boom voilà!  You get a full band audio in Stereo in Zoom.  Use the PAN in the DAW on tracks and FX and have fun!

Note - In the Jamkazam mixer I find that the pre/post amp helps if it's turned on.  You may use some Make-up gain if a musician's level is very low.  But ideally each musician should make sure to send a strong and clear signal to Jamkazam for you to use in your mix.  They should ideally send a signal with no reverb so that you can control it on your end.  Each musician must make sure their setup is balanced.  Ex : clean guitar VS distortion VS singing with an instrument.  Musicians can add input tracks in their Jamkazam, but you will only get one track on their output!  So if a singer plays guitar, they need to balanced their sound as good as possible to make your job easier.  I would love to get multiple inputs from musicians using more than one thing on their end.


  Spammers amongst us
Posted by: Zlartibartfast - 03-10-2021, 06:48 PM - Forum: Miscellaneous - Replies (2)

There is a hacker/spammer posting on the forum right now, trying to sell his con game - his username is Vozikol

Friends - report these posts! Keep our forum clean!

Moderator(s) - I recommend you strengthen the sign-up verification process.


  Problem and Setup necessary to keep Presonus 1810c loopback operating.
Posted by: Patrick DiCicco - 03-10-2021, 01:42 PM - Forum: Help with Audio Gear - Replies (1)

My Presonus 1810c 's loopback Was operational until recently...  I was using it to practice with myself and others on JK. It now blocks the function of Youtube to be played through JK.  Youtube sits with a rotating ring until JK app is closed.  And when Youtube is open with JK open, Youtube causes disturbance in JK.  JK is set for Outputs on 3+4 , loopback on the 1810c is set to 1+2 (to prevent a horrible loopback to happen) !! Again this setup was operational (with a lot of help from my Friends on JK! Thank You John and Terry!)   Any Thoughts would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks!


  Unclear Pricing
Posted by: c-sasse - 03-10-2021, 12:54 PM - Forum: Miscellaneous - Replies (3)

Hello,

@moderators: I'm not sure where to post, so if this is not the right place, please move this thread there.

@all: I encountered differences in the pricing descriptions. The different premium options are shown in lists, which are shown under these two links:

https://jamkazam.com/remote-music-rehearsals
[/url][url=https://jamkazam.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/66000122535-what-are-jamkazam-s-free-vs-premium-features-]https://jamkazam.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/66000122535-what-are-jamkazam-s-free-vs-premium-features

However, for the "Free" option, the "fast internet connectivity" is shown both as "yes" and "no". What is correct?

Best regards
Christian


  Not able to record
Posted by: afntrn - 03-09-2021, 09:01 PM - Forum: Miscellaneous - Replies (6)

Ever since I started paying for Jamkazam I have not been able to record my session. I have reached out numerous times but nobody seems to be able to help solve my issue. Any thoughts or ideas? I used File Manager to delete some of the old recordings but that did nothing either.


  Gettiing Started Document for Noobs
Posted by: jamboy - 03-09-2021, 08:04 AM - Forum: Miscellaneous - Replies (5)

Gang,
I'm with The Black Rose Acoustic Society in Colorado, and we've been jamming online with JamKazam for quite a while now. To help members of our little music community get started with JK, I put together the attached PDF document. It's got introductory info about computer audio in general along with step-by-step instructions for selecting and setting up audio gear in JK. Hopefully it'll help someone out there to get going. 

Disclaimer: The document uses screenshots and procedures from a JK version of late 2020, and those could of course change, as can just about anything about the program. So, use it not as gospel, but as a general guide, as things evolve over time. 

The latest version of this document is available for download on our website at www.blackroseacoustic.org in the Jams area.

Happy jamming from all of us at TBRAS


.pdf   GettingStartedWithJamKazam-v7.0.pdf (Size: 1.6 MB / Downloads: 24)


  Live Stream to Youtube Live - Any Success Stories?
Posted by: raylancy@outlook.com - 03-07-2021, 09:35 PM - Forum: Beta Features for Pioneers - Replies (3)

Long time JamKazam user trying to Live Stream to YouTube without much success.  Audio is very weak and constantly disconnects.  Consulted support and
watched the video many times but just can't get it to work as advertised.

Not sure what we could be missing.  Has anyone been able to make this work?

Ray Lancy
Tustin, CA


  Steinberg UR 22C Interface and latency issues
Posted by: ejo@wholemusic.com - 03-06-2021, 09:20 PM - Forum: Help with Audio Gear - Replies (2)

Hey all,

I can't seem to get good latency with  Jamkazam and my Steinberg UR22c interface. I'm getting sample rate conflicts. Is the Steinberg compatible with Jamkzam?
I am running a Mac.

Thank you,

EJ


  personal levels...
Posted by: Johannes - 03-05-2021, 09:08 AM - Forum: Miscellaneous - Replies (2)

I am totally confused what the Personal Mix vs Stream Mix gain adjustments do. Whatever we do there seems to influence what others hear (and presumably what is being recorded). Is there any way to adjust the personal mix levels between the local and remote tracks, without influencing what others hear and what is being recorded?