(06-21-2020, 01:36 PM)Hans Peter Augustesen Wrote: Ok - thank you. That is Peter Walker, then.
What about the link to the diagram? Can - and will - you provide it?
Here, of course - it should not be needed to send a note to whatever. Simply put it here ...
"First of all, the audio is routed peer-to-peer between musicians in a session. The audio does not run through JamKazam servers. So the location of our servers is not actually relevant to your latency at all"
[...]
"Best,
David"
David Wilson is CEO of JamKazam
from >http://forum.cakewalk.com/Anything-like-Jamkazam-out-there-m3289696.aspx
Search result for peer-to-peer:
https://forum.jamkazam.com/search.php?ac...order=desc
Packet Rate Control And Related Systems For Interactive Music Systems
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2015/0256473.html
"Inventors:
Walker, Peter A. (Cedar Park, TX, US)
Wilson, David J. (Austin, TX, US)
Comer, Robert Scott (Austin, TX, US)
Call, Michael Seth (Austin, TX, US)"
What is "501 C3 nonprofit"?
I could figure it out for myself, maybe.
But, of course, I do not want to spend that time - it is your job to explain. For all people here ... even the zulues, the chinese, the danes and so on Thanks Hans. It appears there is a server but as David stated music data moves peer to peer. This implies that each member of a session could have a different latency condition with each of the other session
Session members general quality of service is highly dependent on the quality of multiple internet routing hops (unique to a session connection and not fixed by location) and individual access quality to the internet
Each session even with the same members will have conditions ( good and bad) not under the control of Jamkazam and they can not improve in the architecture
06-21-2020, 03:26 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-21-2020, 03:31 PM by Hans Peter Augustesen.)
Yes of course, each member of a session have a different latency condition with each of the other in session.
That is how it works.
I have just been in a session - with 7-8 people:
1. Germany = about 30 ms
2. Florida, USA = about 70 ms
3. California, USA = about 110 ms
4. Great Britain = about 40 ms
5. Great Britain = about 45 ms
6. N/A
7. N/A
8. N/A
(06-21-2020, 03:26 PM)Hans Peter Augustesen Wrote: Yes of course, each member of a session have a different latency condition with each of the other in session.
That is how it works.
I have just been in a session - with 7-8 people
1. Germany = about 30 ms
2. Florida, USA = about 70 ms
3. California, USA = about 110 ms
4. Great Britain = about 40 ms
5. Great Britain = about 45 ms
6. ?
7. ?
8. ? Thanks that is helpful to understand the latency conditions. I like this application and I am learning more everyday
06-21-2020, 03:33 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-21-2020, 03:36 PM by Hans Peter Augustesen.)
(06-21-2020, 01:43 AM)kaminskied@comcast.net Wrote: Because of the routing behavior of the internet latency can be highly propredictable between the same locations. In fact it is possible for a connection between Europe and the US to have fewer hops than a connection between two locations 100 miles apart. Sessions on JamKazam likely connect to a jamKazam hub and that point on the network is where each user is connecting.
Perhaps Jamkazam as a company would consider licensing the JamKazam server as a product, a product that could be installed at locations closer to the users in session. This distributed server licensed to a collection of users (for a fee) could improve performance because it would be dedicated to that user group with lower latency connections.
Has anyone proposed this concept... a concept that is typical in large global corporation networks.
Wondering
(06-21-2020, 01:43 AM)kaminskied@comcast.net Wrote: Because of the routing behavior of the internet latency can be highly unpropredictable between the same locations. latecy is influced by routing In fact it is possible for a connection between Europe and the US to have fewer hops than a connection between two locations 100 miles apart. Sessions on JamKazam likely connect to a jamKazam hub and that point on the network is where each user is connecting.
Perhaps Jamkazam as a company would consider licensing the JamKazam server as a product, a product that could be installed at locations closer to the users in session. This distributed server licensed to a collection of users (for a fee) could improve performance because it would be dedicated to that user group with lower latency connections.
Has anyone proposed this concept... a concept that is typical in large global corporation networks.
Wondering The JK staff are already looking at a new state of the art audio relay service which promises lower latency and bandwidth requirements. They say they've already tested this and hope to have more information soon.
(06-22-2020, 10:46 PM)StuartR Wrote: (06-21-2020, 01:43 AM)kaminskied@comcast.net Wrote: Because of the routing behavior of the internet latency can be highly propredictable between the same locations. In fact it is possible for a connection between Europe and the US to have fewer hops than a connection between two locations 100 miles apart. Sessions on JamKazam likely connect to a jamKazam hub and that point on the network is where each user is connecting.
Perhaps Jamkazam as a company would consider licensing the JamKazam server as a product, a product that could be installed at locations closer to the users in session. This distributed server licensed to a collection of users (for a fee) could improve performance because it would be dedicated to that user group with lower latency connections.
Has anyone proposed this concept... a concept that is typical in large global corporation networks.
Wondering
(06-21-2020, 01:43 AM)kaminskied@comcast.net Wrote: Because of the routing behavior of the internet latency can be highly unpropredictable between the same locations. latecy is influced by routing In fact it is possible for a connection between Europe and the US to have fewer hops than a connection between two locations 100 miles apart. Sessions on JamKazam likely connect to a jamKazam hub and that point on the network is where each user is connecting.
Perhaps Jamkazam as a company would consider licensing the JamKazam server as a product, a product that could be installed at locations closer to the users in session. This distributed server licensed to a collection of users (for a fee) could improve performance because it would be dedicated to that user group with lower latency connections.
Has anyone proposed this concept... a concept that is typical in large global corporation networks.
Wondering The JK staff are already looking at a new state of the art audio relay service which promises lower latency and bandwidth requirements. They say they've already tested this and hope to have more information soon.
interested to hear more.
(06-22-2020, 10:51 PM)kaminskied@comcast.net Wrote: (06-22-2020, 10:46 PM)StuartR Wrote: (06-21-2020, 01:43 AM)kaminskied@comcast.net Wrote: Because of the routing behavior of the internet latency can be highly propredictable between the same locations. In fact it is possible for a connection between Europe and the US to have fewer hops than a connection between two locations 100 miles apart. Sessions on JamKazam likely connect to a jamKazam hub and that point on the network is where each user is connecting.
Perhaps Jamkazam as a company would consider licensing the JamKazam server as a product, a product that could be installed at locations closer to the users in session. This distributed server licensed to a collection of users (for a fee) could improve performance because it would be dedicated to that user group with lower latency connections.
Has anyone proposed this concept... a concept that is typical in large global corporation networks.
Wondering
(06-21-2020, 01:43 AM)kaminskied@comcast.net Wrote: Because of the routing behavior of the internet latency can be highly unpropredictable between the same locations. latecy is influced by routing In fact it is possible for a connection between Europe and the US to have fewer hops than a connection between two locations 100 miles apart. Sessions on JamKazam likely connect to a jamKazam hub and that point on the network is where each user is connecting.
Perhaps Jamkazam as a company would consider licensing the JamKazam server as a product, a product that could be installed at locations closer to the users in session. This distributed server licensed to a collection of users (for a fee) could improve performance because it would be dedicated to that user group with lower latency connections.
Has anyone proposed this concept... a concept that is typical in large global corporation networks.
Wondering The JK staff are already looking at a new state of the art audio relay service which promises lower latency and bandwidth requirements. They say they've already tested this and hope to have more information soon.
interested to hear more. As we all are! This is an idea they had tested a while back before they had the resources we've now contributed via GoFundMe.
I would be interested in seeing more details on the concept.
Interesting funding approach
The more typical funding strategy is to have the venture
Capitalist on sandhill Rd in Palo Alto fund theses investments
But if course they want equitity
(06-22-2020, 10:46 PM)StuartR Wrote: (06-21-2020, 01:43 AM)kaminskied@comcast.net Wrote: Because of the routing behavior of the internet latency can be highly propredictable between the same locations. In fact it is possible for a connection between Europe and the US to have fewer hops than a connection between two locations 100 miles apart. Sessions on JamKazam likely connect to a jamKazam hub and that point on the network is where each user is connecting.
Perhaps Jamkazam as a company would consider licensing the JamKazam server as a product, a product that could be installed at locations closer to the users in session. This distributed server licensed to a collection of users (for a fee) could improve performance because it would be dedicated to that user group with lower latency connections.
Has anyone proposed this concept... a concept that is typical in large global corporation networks.
Wondering
(06-21-2020, 01:43 AM)kaminskied@comcast.net Wrote: Because of the routing behavior of the internet latency can be highly unpropredictable between the same locations. latecy is influced by routing In fact it is possible for a connection between Europe and the US to have fewer hops than a connection between two locations 100 miles apart. Sessions on JamKazam likely connect to a jamKazam hub and that point on the network is where each user is connecting.
Perhaps Jamkazam as a company would consider licensing the JamKazam server as a product, a product that could be installed at locations closer to the users in session. This distributed server licensed to a collection of users (for a fee) could improve performance because it would be dedicated to that user group with lower latency connections.
Has anyone proposed this concept... a concept that is typical in large global corporation networks.
Wondering The JK staff are already looking at a new state of the art audio relay service which promises lower latency and bandwidth requirements. They say they've already tested this and hope to have more information soon.
interested to hear more.
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